Does This Dude Even Know How To Build A PC?

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Recently I’ve been getting some “hate” comments (if you even want to call it that) that are saying that the builds that I share aren’t actually up to par to what you could actually do within the budget point – more specifically with the $1,000 build listed on the site.

I’d like to address what these people have been saying as I do understand the concern, but I’d like to express my perspective as to why I have the builds the way I have them.

haters gonna hate

 

What Some Have Been Saying


Here and there I’ll get a comment from someone that claims they know a lot about PC builds, which I’m sure some actually do, and they go off saying that the build that I’m sharing isn’t actually an optimal build to go with because of newer hardware that has been released.

I have taken note of the RX 480, GTX 1060/1070/1080 releases and just today I have finally been able to update a couple of the builds to include them because the price makes sense for them for specific budget points.

On the $1,500 build and the $2,000 build I have now included the newly released 1070/1080 graphics cards.

These cards were announced to be about $100 cheaper than what they are currently listed on Amazon for and that’s exactly why I’ve had to wait so long before listing these new cards on the builds.

whySome other retailers do have some cards, such as the 1080 and RX 480, for lower prices. But so far, every single time that I’ve checked, they have been out of stock.

So it doesn’t make sense for me to share a link to a piece of hardware that isn’t even going to be in stock…

The main point I want to address and get across has to do with the $1,000 build. If someone has a $1,000 budget to put a PC together there are many different ways of actually getting it done.

This is where people actually start to get angry because they believe in their config so much that they defend their perspective.

“Why isn’t the GTX 1070 on there?!”

“You are pointing these people in the wrong direction, this is NOT a good build for $1,000.”

I have gotten comments with those exact words – and those are the nice examples.

I completely understand how you could fit a GTX 1070 into a $1,000 budget, but I really want you to understand my overall take on the average PC builder that is getting into the industry at this budget point.

 

For $1,000 Starting Out


If you’re just getting into PC building – whether a friend of yours is a hardcore PC gamer or you’re tired of the limitations of consoles – you need to have something that is going to be great for the future.

If someone is brand new to having a gaming PC then odds are that they also need to fit in an operating system, monitor, keyboard and a mouse into their budget.

pc gaming battlestation

The majority of newcomers are NOT going to start out like this. This type of setup is done through upgrading as you move forward with the build.

I don’t include those expenses into the price of the builds that I share here because I see those as different expenses from the actual hardware.

If  you’re going to spend $1,000 on a computer, that $1,000 is better spent on the actual hardware to get the PC at a peak performance level.

Then you can save money for the monitor, keyboard/mouse etc.

That’s what makes most sense to me and that’s the mindset I have when sharing all of the builds here.

I’ve gotten many people to disagree with what I share on the $1,000 build from having the Haswell CPU listed instead of the new Skylake and some others showing that they would be able to fit the GTX 1070 into the budget.

There have been many benchmark tests showing that the i7 4790k, the CPU currently listed on the $1,000 budget, is one of the best CPUs. It out performs the i5-6600k and it even outperforms the i7-6700. (Through MY research of different sites and what the majority of gamers have had experience with.)

Sure, the 4790k is a bit overkill for today’s games. Many have told me that it doesn’t make sense to have it as the CPU because games don’t need that type of power today.

So let’s say that someone goes with the i5-4690k instead. A very powerful CPU when you have gaming in mind. Then they want to pair it with a GTX 1070 from the money they saved, though it still makes the build a bit more spendy.

A GTX 1070 is an absolute overkill for 1080p. It makes no sense what-so-ever to have a GTX 1070 and be gaming at 1080p. That is what the GTX 970 is for.

At the very least, you’ll want a 1440p monitor. A 1440p monitor will inevitably set you over $200 just for the monitor. Even more than that if you want a high quality one.

A good 1080p monitor, if you know where to look, will run you roughly $100.

Do the math. If you’re just starting out with $1,000 – does it not make more sense to have a build that’s fully capable of 1080p? How many people are actually going to start PC gaming with a 1440p monitor and a GTX 1070…

I get that for some people money isn’t an issue and if it isn’t then yes – you need to go the route of 1070 & 1440p.

But the reality is that not everyone can afford that kind of tech right off the bat. 1080p is still a gorgeous resolution to game at and having a i7 4790k paired with a GTX 970 isn’t going to lead you into any problems there. It’s also a great combination for VR down the road.

With that, let’s talk about the future.

 

What Makes Sense For The Future?


Some would argue that the GTX 1070 with a lower powered CPU would be a good investment because then down the road you can get the higher resolution monitors and VR equipment.

Yes, this makes sense and if the cards are aligned right for you – meaning you have a placeholder monitor to use and what not – then it’d make sense.

My perspective is this – SOMEDAY gaming will need higher powered CPUs and hyper threading will help with that.

When you look at gaming, there isn’t much of a difference between an overclocked i5 4690k and a i7 4790k. But what about an overclocked i7 4790k..?

vr gaming

My guess is that future VR peripherals will need more CPU power to deal with all of the changes.

This is why I share using the i7 paired with the GTX 970. Not everyone is going to dish out a crap load of money to get into high resolution and/or VR gaming right away.

The builds I share here can be cookie cutter but I want them to be seen more as a template. Maybe someone wants the newer LGA 1151 motherboard with DDR4 RAM and other features… so do that if need be and ask me in a comment how you’d be able to go about doing it rather than bashing me for my perspective.

When the time comes where the higher tier graphics cards are at a lower price point then anyone could sell their GTX 970 to have more money to upgrade to the higher powered video cards such as the 1070. And that’s when they’re ready to get into higher resolution gaming.

With virtual reality, the GTX 970 and the i7 4790k are fine. That’s the combination I have and I’ve had the Vive for over a month now – I get over 60 fps on highest settings with almost every single game.

Imagine having a GTX 1070/1080 with a i7 4790k down the road. It’d be insanely powerful. I suppose that having something like a i5 4690k or the new i5 6600k would also be powerful – it really just comes down to what a person wants.

I believe that the i7 processors will prove to have better performance in the future with new gaming tech coming out and so I stick to my guns about using it in a $1,000 budget point.

The main difference I’m seeing between the i5 and the i7 overall is that the i7 would be a better choice for video editing, streaming and rendering. There’s plenty of money to be made in that space and who knows, – even though someone might not think of doing it right away – they’d always have the option of being able to do it in the most optimal way.

 

To Conclude


There are all sorts of different arguments such as using a i5 combined with a 1070 or using the new Skylake tech because it’s simply new…

But tests have shown that the Haswell i5 4690k has extremely similar gaming performance compared to the i5 6600k and after getting everything you’d need, it’d be cheaper anyway. The 6600k doesn’t come with a cooler and the higher quality boards to go with usually cost more.

I understand that not everyone is going to be in a position of rendering and streaming content but for $1,000 – it makes sense just to have the i7 simply because. It’s completely future proof. By the time you’d have to upgrade the i7 4790k there would be newer sockets out anyway. LGA 1151 “Skylake” will no longer be viable by the time you’d have to upgrade the i7.

That and I can bet that the majority of people will start gaming with a 1080p screen and for that – the 970 makes the most sense. Then in the future, with a monitor upgrade, you can sell the 970 and pick up the 1070 and have an unstoppable combination of CPU/GPU power.

If you want to use a i5 then spend $900 instead. That’s what the $900 build guide is for.

All in all, I know what I’m talking about. I’ve put together multiple PCs for friends & family and I love keeping track of all of the new things coming into the “PC build” industry.

I get that some people would want the newer stuff like DDR4 RAM and the new USB stuff but it’s just not entirely essential for a high quality PC gaming experience. Those features also don’t significantly improve the “future proofness” of the build as well.

So, are you desperate to get some of the newer tech?

If so, what are you planning on adding into your build?

Let me know in the comments below! 😀

 

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11 Responses to Does This Dude Even Know How To Build A PC?

  1. Drake says:

    Well that is a bummer that you are getting flack from people over the builds you are posting on here.

    I’ve found your website great for a novice who is looking to get into the PC market and is confused as to where to start. You don’t go into over technical terms and answer everyone to the best of your ability.

    I would always recommend anyone spending 500 to 1000 dollars on anything to do the research themselves first. Blindly following the web is what leads to Macbook Pro sales, and Dell raking it in with Alienware 😉

    I am super happy with the build that I have done since finding your site, then using some of your input to plan it out. I still wish I used your suggested mini ITX case rather then the “cooler” looking one that nearly killed me to fit everything.

    I spent $1400 on my build CND so about 1000 US and went with a 6th gen i5. Would a similarly priced 4th gen i7 been better? Probably not, as I wouldn’t have seen any improvement in the 1080p gaming I use the rig for. It really is preference, and I think your site gives everyone a great starting point to develop their own.

    • Colton P says:

      As I said I like to think of the different builds that I share here as good starting templates. Then I can help answer if different parts are compatible and what not based on what a person is adding/switching out for their respective builds.

      It does suck that I’m getting some flack from people who are on some kind of a high horse thinking that they know the absolute most best build because it’s almost impossible to do such a thing. Different people need different parts for different applications.

      Right on with your build though, sounds like it’s a beast of a build – one that will last forever and a half as well! 🙂

      Thanks for reaching out!

      • tyler green says:

        Honestly colton…..your an awesome guy who has nothing but taught me from all the info on your site. you have answered specific questions about my specific build…..most big you tubers wont really do that….you run a good website and i wanna tell ya that you inspired me around May of this year after i seen your site to get away from my “compromise gaming” Ps4 and xbox one and to build my first custom built rig.I didnt follow exactly but i did do a rough template of your 800 dollar build. i5 6600k/hyper evo 212/ Sapphire rx 480 8gb(which i got for 319 canadian, good price). I wanna say I Friggin love it.(witcher 3 at max settings/no hairworks 1080p at60 fps……..WAAAAAY nicer then console witcher. Thanks a lot again man AND SCREW ALL THE HATERS DOOD DONT TAKE IT TO HEART THEY ARE IDIOTS….Going to a site to get ideas and info then telling the guy its all wrong….

  2. John "Matoro Smithy" says:

    Danged humans. Hard to please one, impossible to please them all.

    Well, in retrospect you’ve been more of a PC building teacher to me than anyone has ever been, & I’m very thankful for the help you’ve given me. Thing is, people need to learn to adapt. If they think they know better on a part for one of your builds, then they should invest their own time and money to customize their build, like what I did with the $500 build & the $600 build’s GPU. People just need to use some common sense.

    • Colton P says:

      Thanks John, I like to think of the site as a good template and starting point for people’s ideas for custom builds. Also a place to go for help to know whether or not if something is a good match, compatible etc.

  3. sarfraz khan says:

    Gtx 1060 and Rx 480 are overpriced right now and even if they are in stock, they are quickly sold out in minutes. I saw this yesterday when I wanted to order gtx 1060. In just 10 minutes there wasnt one available.

    That’s why it’s not suitable to include them in the builds right now because they are sold overpriced. Rx 480 being sold as high as $500 on amazon.com.

    • Colton P says:

      That’s exactly how I’m seeing it as well, it doesn’t make sense to jump into the new hardware at price points that make absolutely no sense at all.

  4. AnyOtherWay says:

    Yeah, you definitely do know how to build a PC. And I also agree with many points you make here, in the future games will, indeed need more CPU power, and a 1080p is definitely a great resolution(Also, I find it funny how at the time I’m making this post your $1000 build has Skylake, an i5, and a 1070(Not saying that’s a bad thing, just saying my timing to make this post is sorta funny to me))

    But I also disagree with some of your points. By the time games are gonna need an i7, it’s only gonna be high end games, and even still, a 970 probably wouldn’t be enough. You also said about selling the 970 down the road and using some of that money to get a 1070, but you could also do the same for the CPU – Sell the i5 down the road and get an i7. It’s all a matter of perspective.

    I also somewhat disagree with the “Then you can save money for the monitor, keyboard/mouse etc.”, because in my opinion, there are two ways you’re gonna build your rig – You’re gonna spend, as an example, $1000, on your build, all peripheals included, or you’ve already calculated how much the peripheals cost, and are able to spend a $1000 on the build itself. For my build I have $800 or so to spend on all of the parts, so it makes more sense to me to spend about $200-$150 on the peripheals, and spend the rest on the parts. So when I’m looking at builds for ideas of stuff, I’m gonna look at mostly $600-$700 builds. Basically, if I have to “Save money for the monitor, keyboard/mouse etc.” later, what’s the point of building it, since I wouldn’t be able to use it?

    This last part is a bit of a nitpick, but I’ve seen you say in comments, and in this post(not the one I’m typing, the one I’ve read to be typing on), that your builds are more of a template in your eyes. Again, bit of a nitpick, but I wish you stated in the builds themselves to use it as a template. No, not the build names, those can stay how they say that it’s the best build for this budget, this site needs more popularity, but I see a decent few people that build your exact builds, and it makes me… Well, not sure how to state it.

    Sure, it’s fine if people make your builds, but PC building is about expressing yourself, making your own machine. Why copy some other persons build exactly, without any changes? For example, again, if I was building a $1000 build, and saw yours, I’d make quite a few changes – Case to something more appealing looking, CPU to a non overclockable, since I don’t care for that, therefore removing the cooler, or an i7 if I can fit it in, maybe changing motherboard(Don’t know enough about Skylake stuff to know for sure, though), a different PSU, an SSD, maybe more ram, and bam. Got a whole new build, using the $1000 as a basis. Would it cost a $1000 for those thoughts? No idea.

    Man, I make way to many long posts in way to many areas(Not just your site), I need to make slightly shorter ones.

    • Colton P says:

      Well at the time of writing this post the pricing just didn’t make sense when people were telling me that I was doing it wrong. The pricing would make the $1,000 build over $1,300 and that made no sense at all to me. Now that the prices are better, it makes sense to me now to have the parts that I have listed there. 🙂

      When you look at raw gaming performance, 9/10 games depend more on the graphics card. The graphics card should be the first component to look at upgrading, always. That’s not really an opinion, more of a fact. You’ll get way more FPS ratings by upgrading your graphics card first and then upgrading the CPU down the road if it’s even needed. Most CPUs I share in the builds can be overclocked for further performance. All in all, depends on the person’s build and what parts need to be upgraded first but 99% of the time – it’s the graphics card that needs an update.

      I agree that PC building is about expressing yourself but you have to also understand that there are many people that want a cookie cutter build. They have no idea what is what and they just want to make sure that the build is going to work. So if they follow the build guides as is, that’s what they’ll get. That’s what most of the people are looking for so I cater to that. When it comes down to cases, many ask if certain cases would work which I get because the case is something that you should resonate with!

      • AnyOtherWay says:

        Yeah, I understand. I was just mentioning that it was sorta funny to me when I was responding to it.

        Yes, I understand that it is more likely you’ll need to upgrade the GPU. I was more of saying you could instead get an i5, a better GPU, and if you need to upgrade the CPU down then you could. It was more of a comment on you saying that in the future, games are gonna rely more on the CPU, and that when that happens you could instead upgrade the CPU, instead of having to upgrade the GPU as quickly.

        I wasn’t saying it was a bad thing that people build your build, I was just saying that you should mention about changing parts in the build – You say it a lot in comments that you see your builds as more of a template, but you don’t mention it in the build guide themselves. Just a slight nitpick there, that’s all.

        Also, I wouldn’t quite call your builds cookie cutter. If they were cookie cutter, then the builds with, say, a $60 case would probably all be the same – Instead, all the builds have a different case, and that’s the main reason I wouldn’t call your builds quite cookie cutter. Just mostly.

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